How to Turn an Old Sermon into a PPGR Sermon with Preach360

We're going to be talking about how to turn an old sermon into a new PPGR sermon.

Because most of us have a lot of sermons that are in Word or Pages or a Google Doc or something, and they're just in folders, and we preached them once.

And unless we're, you know, changing churches into new context, we probably just never look at them again.

And so with a lot of folks kind of saying, hey, look, I'm all into this PPGR framework, I want to use it, but I have so much that I've already done.

What if, whether it be an emergency kind of a sermon, where your week you just cannot prep, and it happens to be a.

Sunday, you need something unique and different.

What if you could use an old sermon and have it completely refreshed and reorganized in the PPGR format?

Or what if you needed a, season of ministry margin and maybe some deep discipleship that you're doing with folks, and you just need a resource that is your work, that is your resource, your sermon.

And what if you could take a series and reformat it into a completely different sermon that is your work and your content, but in the PPGR method.

And it's going to come across different, it's going to sound different.

And so go back years, you know, go back years, and refresh this.

I began thinking that could be only a cool, fun thing to do, but it could really be a practical, effective way to, to duplicate the work that you've already done.

Like if, if a content creator makes a, a video and they post it, it's like, okay, that's done.

But what if you could take that video and break it up into then some blog posts or some social media, posts or maybe a, other content that you could break, you could multi use that original content.

That's what I'm thinking about doing with old sermons that we have done, we've researched, we have written them, we just want to reformat them for a new context.

That's what I'm trying to think through, to see how much this could help us.

So I'm going to show you from scratch what you can do.

I've done one this morning earlier, did a couple of them and I want to make sure it was going to work or if my live one fails, we can always fall back.

However, however I also want to take one of yours and put it through this process so that you can actually say, okay, here's one of my old ones.

Let's see in real time, what happens if we put it through the PPGR meat grinder, you know, what will it put out for us?

And I'm also doing this so that it creates a, a full, in depth, small group companion to the sermon as well.

And I'm, I'm using a format called Some of you may be familiar with this, which is the book.

No, it starts with hook, Hook book, look and took format for the small group.

You can do anything you want.

But I did that a couple times and it was really pretty good.

And since I'm preparing our small group for this Sunday evening before the Super Bowl, I thought that that might be something we could work into this as something kind of new, a little bit different.

So in case you're new to the PPGR thing.

Ppgr, stands for principle problem, Gospel Response.

It essentially mirrors the four strands of DNA that are embedded in every text.

We don't need to invent outlines, we simply need to study a text and uncover the outline that's already there.

The outline that's there mirrors creation, fall Redemption and restoration, with ultimate restoration being glorification.

But those four elements make up a thoroughly biblical gospel centered, functionally practical, life changing sermon.

That's what we built the PPGR system after that so it mirrors the biblical metanarrative in every single text.

So we have a preaching system with this.

And those of you who've been following along, I'm deep into writing the book the PPGR way and we'll hopefully have that this spring.

It's it's getting a little out of my, out of hand with the length of it.

So I'm trying to pull it back.

But I think that's going to be a really helpful companion.

I think it'll be fun to go through cohorts with it because it is in depth and it covers everything and it's like the master, master, master class of PPGR preaching.

Anyway, that's for later.

But we also have an app.

It has been called PPGR360.

It's been renamed to something simple where every, everybody on the planet will know what we're talking about.

Preach 360.

So it's like what is PPGR?

What is that all about?

I don't even, I'm just moving on.

But if you say preach360 with a simple understanding of what it is, then that's a little bit clearer.

It's still built on the PPGR framework and the system and everything else.

But anyway, if you want more info, preach360.com is where you'll get the info for that.

Hey Eric, you got a question?

Yeah, man.

no question.

I was just saying that sounds awesome.

a thumbs up.

Okay.

I thought it was a hand raise.

Okay, awesome.

yeah, it's going to be some cool stuff coming up, so.

But preach360.com that will be any information that's new to probably most of you that are here, but there are a couple people who are new, so that's great.

As far as today's workshop focus, let's get into it.

It's how to turn old sermons into PPGR sermons.

And this little thing that it says with one click.

Yes, yes.

It's a mini process.

It's not a lot of stuff to do, but the first thing we're going to do, let's just do it live here, right here.

Let me change the sharing so you can see what's going on.

We're going to share.

Let's do this.

Perfect.

Okay.

So if it breaks, we can go back to the one I've done, but hopefully this is going to work out okay.

All right, so the first thing we're going to do is activate the canvas.

If you haven't seen the canvas, get ready to have your mind blown.

This is so, so cool.

All right.

And I'm going to use, I'm going to go ahead and use Pro.

I was using fast earlier.

Fast is good, it works.

But Pro will give you the best idea of what this is going to do down here on tools.

And I'm in Preach360 right now.

That's what we're working in.

The canvas feature needs to be open, then we are going to upload a sermon.

With this upload file button right here, you can just paste the text into the chat.

That's fine, doesn't matter how long it is.

But this sermon I believe I'm uploading is about my old way of doing.

It was like 4,000 word sermons.

Now I rarely go over a thousand words in my sermons.

whittle them down from 45 minutes to around 25 minutes.

Ideal sermon.

So I take a thousand words and stretch it out 25, 27 minutes.

So I'm going to upload this file.

Let's see, where is it?

I'm going to do this one.

And then I'm going to add a prompt just to kind of tell it what to do.

Right here.

I've already written that down.

So I've uploaded an old manuscript.

the wheel in autopilot mode.

That's really important.

Turn this content into a perfectly formatted PPGR sermon that follows the PPGR sermon blueprint which is all built into the Preach 360 tool.

Turn this content into.

Okay, include every element.

Do not skip anything.

Include an in depth small group discussion guide that uses the sermon content and follows the hook book.

Look took format.

Put the output in a canvas for editing.

That's why we have the canvas here.

It'll automatically put that in there for you.

Total sermon word count should not exceed 1500 words.

And, and I'm going low on that for most, most of us do probably 2000 or so, maybe more, but I'm going to 1500 because I find it better to go low and add than go big and cut.

It's really harder in my opinion to cut good content than it is to add content.

And there's a feature here where it'll auto add it for you, because it's taking your own content and just adding more of it to the sermon.

And, and I'll show you that.

All right.

Put the output in a canvas for editing.

Total sermon word count should not exceed 1500 words.

Do not count the small group guide, though, in the total word count.

All right, so here's the one.

Click.

So there are a few things to do.

You got to at least, you know, activate the canvas, upload the sermon, enter an override prompt here.

And then we are going to hit the click submit and see what happens with this.

Because it's in pro mode here, rather than fast.

It is doing more analysis of the original sermon.

It's going to do a better output.

That's why I recommend that you use the pro, or at least thinking for doing this sermon reformatting so that it actually will use your sermon content.

That wasn't too long.

It's pretty good.

All right, so when it's spinning, of course that means that it's.

It's still putting content in the canvas, and so you can't edit it yet.

But what we're going to see is that this gives, us the manuscript.

Sometimes winning is losing.

Or you could reverse that when losing is winning.

That's the way I would actually probably edit it because this message is about Christians suing Christians in First Corinthians 6.

And now that it stops spinning, you can see that it's now in editing mode.

And we'll go.

We'll walk through this in a sec.

But I'm going to say, well, sometimes winning is losing.

That's interesting.

But I think sometimes losing is.

Winning is more powerful.

And, it really enables us to jump to the cross in a powerful way, really make that turn to Jesus, because his losing was our winning.

And I'm giving a lot away with that.

Nevertheless, that's where we're going to be going with it.

So, the prolectio here, it sets up, it takes your content, take my content from that sermon, and talks, about living in a culture obsessed with winning.

We're number one.

We want to be ranked number one.

We want to have the best recruiting class, the best portal class, whatever it is, whether in sports or business or an argument on social media.

The goal is to come out on top, to be vindicated, and to be right.

Now we're going to go with the keyword.

It pulled out of identity.

Could we change this?

could I put vindicated here and have it rewrite it all according to the keyword vindicated?

Yes, but we're not going to go there yet.

There's so much that we can do now.

We have this New manuscript that's from our work, which is, I think, really cool.

All right.

But have you ever won an argument only to realize you lost the relationship?

Have you secured a victory that left you feeling hollow?

The Apostle Paul is writing to a church in Corinth that was obsessed with winning.

Also, they were taking one another to court, fighting for their rights and trying to.

And by the way, scrambling I find, is an AI trigger word.

And so I would want to change this word from and scrambling for status to and maybe jockeying for status, something like that.

And of course I misspelled it.

They were acting like spiritual orphans, scraping for every crumb of validation they could find, which I think is going to be a good keyword if we want to alter it, the validation issue.

So we're going to look at this text, but the opportunity before us is to think that our.

We often think our behavior determines who we are.

But the Gospel flips the script.

Paul wants us to see that who we are determines how we live today.

We have the opportunity to stop jockeying for earthly winds and start living from our royal identity in Christ.

The principle in Christ we possess a royal future ruling identity that reorders our present reality.

That's a little bit complex.

So I'm going to simplify that if I go through this and edit it.

course, here we have it in the text.

We're always going to have the statement, we're going to have the text anchor for all of our movements.

Paul begins with a shock to the system in verses 2 and 3.

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?

Do you not know that we will judge angels?

Wait, wait, wait a minute.

We usually think of Judgment Day as us standing before God.

But Paul says that there will be a time because of our union with Christ that we will participate in this cosmic reign.

We're not just saved sinners, we're royalty in waiting.

So here's the principle again.

Your identity is not defined by what people think of you, how much money you win in a lawsuit, or your social status or victory on a social media argument.

Your identity is defined by your destiny as a co heir with Jesus and right now possessing his perfect gift, righteousness.

You're a prince or princess of the king, destined to manage the affairs of the new creation.

This cosmic reality is the truest thing about you.

So we're having an eschatological, the future coming into the present kind of idea, here that Paul has brought up in this text.

And so we're going to deal with that now, what if I want to do more expositional work?

All, I'm going to ask.

In this little box that comes up, when you highlight something, include a deeper exegetical dive, using the original words to give weight.

To the explanation.

Because again, it's reduced a 4,000 word document into about a little over a thousand is what probably this is the output of this.

I'm guessing it's around a thousand.

There's a lot we could add and still be good.

So let's see what it does in a canvas.

It is going to revise this over here and it's going to show you what it did and highlight it.

All right, so now it's, it's, you know, it's been substantially expanded and it's still spinning, so you can't edit it yet, but we're getting close.

so now he goes into verses two and three.

Now, we don't always want to talk about the Greek, all right.

Or the original languages, except if it is helpful for proving the principle or proving the problem, whatever it is.

River movement.

So Paul uses this phrase six times in this chapter alone.

In these verses, it's a stinging rebuke.

He's saying, you claim to be this word, pneumaticos, which is spiritual.

Yep, there we go.

Spiritual and wise.

Yet you are suffering from total amnesia regarding who you actually are.

That's an idea we could throw in there.

The, the idea of gospel amnesia.

We forget who we truly are in Jesus and then it gives more, more Greek implications.

Here you see the logic.

Paul is weighing their identity on a scale.

On one side you're saints, on the other side you're bickering over here.

So arguing from capacity.

If your identity is this, then you actually don't need to do the old way, you can live the new way.

So that's the principle.

But we have a problem, don't we?

That's the problem.

The resistance.

We suffer from an identity amnesia, living as spiritual orphans who scrap for earthly winds to gratify our old fleshly patterns.

And we're going to go into this.

Look how the original Corinthians did this.

We're also going to see there's root idols.

the emotion that really shows the idol underneath the anxiety is showing a lack of control or maybe approval desires.

And so we have more text to work with and we're going to then go into the implications of it.

And then we turn to the gospel.

We have the solution that Jesus endured the ultimate loss to Wash, sanctify and justify us, securing our new identity by grace alone.

And that's the pivot point to the entire text as, as we see here in, verses from 9 and 10 and 11.

That's what some of you were, were.

But now you've been washed, sanctified, justified in the name of the Lord Jesus.

And we can talk about where it is to be washed and sanctified and justified and distinguish those things.

You know, he stood trial for us.

We're using this courtroom idea because that is the text.

It's a courtroom context.

He took the verdict of guilty that we deserved.

He allowed himself to be cheated, to be wronged, to be stripped of his rights.

He lost everything so that we could inherit everything.

Or he lost.

Yeah, we could go into that more.

I'm not going to the whole sermon.

So, he took our filthy rags so we can get his royal robe.

The verdict is in.

The gavel has fallen.

You are righteous.

Your identity is not sinner, failure, addict or victim, but beloved child saying, there goes to the response.

And so the change here is going to be.

We're going to be reminded, it's changing our identity to remember who we are, where we are free to absorb a loss for the sake of love and walk in the new way because Jesus absorbed, our loss for us.

So we can stop fighting for scraps.

The lawsuit application.

We can lead the dumpster.

That's the lifestyle application.

greedy heart, the lustful heart.

And live in alignment with who we truly are.

And of course it'll always do a countercultural narrative that we can tie into this.

And here's the small group discussion.

We have the hook getting the conversation started.

Book.

We're going to look at the text, walk through that.

The look is going to be the identity connection.

It's going to go to the heart issues and show how the cross is what we must go to and then go through for personal application for this.

So that's what it did.

If you saw my original, you'd be amazed.

This is doing a great job.

This is, it's way more condensed.

So it's more focused.

I think it's more clear and it, is going to be much more, I think, memorable.

I'm being sticking with this courtroom idea and using that, analogy even when we get to maybe the very beginning, we could talk about that more.

That we live in a culture.

I heard recently that, China, for example, that they all want their children to be engineers.

It's an engineering culture that's what they're aspiring for.

And we live in one that is more litigious.

Litigious, however, pronounce that word where being a lawyer is like the big thing.

And if you've been a lawyer, if you are a lawyer, great, we need lawyers.

But it just shows how this could really, you know, be huge for our, our culture because everything we think, lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit.

It dominates winning something or sports or arguments online.

So now what can we do with this output?

What can we do?

Just a few more minutes on this, then I want to upload one of yours.

Well, we could expand it, we could expand sections of it.

We could expand the whole thing.

Right now we had the tool on the right.

Change the length.

You can go shorter or you can go longer.

And so I'm going to go, I'm going to go very long with this and just see what it will add.

Pulling from my former sermon, if I'm like, yeah, a thousand words, probably I want to beef this thing up.

This is going to really beef it up and probably as long as you wanted it.

Like I said though, it's easier to add than it is to cut.

So be careful how much you you add.

All right, so it's still spinning.

And of course we can go deeper with the original word exegesis.

We could dive deeper into the heart issues that are at play in the problem movement.

We could expand on the gospel.

We could talk more about the rewiring of the heart.

We could ask this to make more specific application for us, make it more situationally specific and all those sort of things.

We can go in and add to this and ask questions about it, about this text to make it exactly what we want.

And you can see in this canvas, we're able to edit, we're able to make this our sermon now, a new sermon from our content.

Again make it totally our sermon.

So it has expanded it a lot and longer intro pre lectio.

The principle, really substantive here, really goes into that problem.

It's going to expand more on this.

It's going to give more examples of how we experience this gospel, go more deeply as well.

All this is, has been expanded.

My guess is that yeah, we'll look at temptation differently and but again it's all go, it's all moving with our grace motivated, spirit, empowered application that is gone.

The text has taken us from the principle of the truth to our own resistance in the heart, to Jesus fulfilling the principle.

And now by the Spirit indwelling us as we abide in him in union with Jesus, we are able to see the principle now lived out in our lives in a new way versus the old way.

Old way, law, flesh, new way, gospel spirit.

Okay, so we could do a lot of expanding and working with this in a lot of different ways.

but I want to.

I wonder what it did to the small group.

Expand that to.

It did expand to the small group as well.

Okay, so that's just an example.

It's going to, Anything you want to do with this?

let's do this.

Okay.

Here are some cultural analysis things.

Secular psychology says this, religion says this, Gospel says this about identity.

But before I get there, I don't want to give you, epileptic seizure by going so fast and having the light spinning with this text flowing.

But, I will change the keyword.

I'm going to say change the keyword for the sermon to.

Let me see what was over here.

It was vindication.

Yeah.

Because we're going to do so many identity things, sermons.

vindication is more of a.

It's more focused and maybe give us a little more edge on the message.

Change keyword to vindication and re.

Align the sermon in every part to fit the new word.

Because when it takes your old message, it makes a new message out of might not go the direction that you wanted it to go.

And the keyword is the.

Is kind of the way you can redirect the whole whole thing.

Give it a new.

Give it a keyword you want it to give it.

And then it will adjust that.

And it will do it in every part.

Rearranging, rewriting, taking your message and then redoing it as vindication.

Hey.

Thoughts?

Questions about you doing this.

You're welcome to unmute and just ask since I can't find the chat now.

I noticed that was a PDF, but you say it works the same with like Pages or Microsoft or whatever.

You know, it will work with Word, with Google Docs, with PDFs, with text files, with RTF files.

The one that I do not think it will read is Pages Because the Apple the way the Apple Pages is designed, it doesn't play nice and read with it didn't let anybody else to read it.

Anybody else can usually read a docx file like a Google Doc if you put it in a docx.

everybody can read a Word file, a Doc file.

Anybody can read RTF or a text file like that, ODT files.

But Pages is the one that if you, if you create Something in Pages.

It can only be opened by Pages.

So that's something to.

That's why I went away from.

I used to, I love Pages, but I had to get away from it because I would then always have to download it into a docx, a text file, RTF or a PDF for anybody else to read it who didn't have Pages.

That's classic Mac.

yeah.

It's our ecosystem and we're gonna own it.

And nobody else can touch it.

You can in Pages.

You can simply export it to file or PDF.

It's pretty, pretty simple in the.

it is.

It's a one click thing, you know.

No doubt.

Hey McKay, this is Mike.

Yeah, Mike.

so I'm playing with this, as you're teaching and instructing us here.

One thing that I did, and this is kind of a, has been a bit of a consistent challenge with utilizing, some of the AI software is I prompted it by saying.

So let me say my concern, my concern is that the generation of this content is more AI language than my direct language.

so I want to maintain as much of the integrity of my original work, while utilizing the efficiency of the AI tool.

So, I prompted and I said please ensure that you use direct phrases and sentences from my actual manuscript so as to maintain the integrity of the original document.

yes, good.

So, so what it did then is it did a bit of, kind of gave me an update of what it's doing.

It says, I will update the sermon titled Bound to Become like him to include the specific phrasing and direct sentences from your original manuscript while maintaining the PPGR structure and expanding the content as requested.

so like looking back over it, I notice that it is using some of the direct language options that I used and even quotes, like actual direct quotes from the manuscript.

But my problem is this manuscript was like 4, 500 words.

Right?

which is way beyond what I'm doing now.

so yeah, yeah, so I found that prompt to be helpful.

that's good that it's kind of sticking to, you know, since you've done that.

I haven't done as much.

This is, I'm really just starting to consider these applications.

Having someone like you who has done this, that is a really, really helpful of advice for all doing this that you would say be sure that you are including my original work more explicitly, in my phrasing and sentences.

So let's see what happens with this.

Yeah, that's a great, Advice for anybody doing this, that rather than take the general concept and rewrite it, we really want it to take our words, phrases, terms, explanations, that sort of thing.

So if it's not doing that, this is a critical addition to that prompt that you would make if you're going to take something that is old and make it new.

Yeah, thanks so much for sharing that.

That's huge.

Really.

Okay, so what it's doing now, it's.

It's inserting my specific arguments regarding genetics, mathematics and the distinction between actions and orientation.

It is including a specific call to fight discrimination.

The mandate that it has, let's say gospel vindication reverted to the more analytical pastoral tone found in your original text.

Okay.

It may be even go back to maybe using more of my outline.

What the highlights.

The highlights.

That is what it has just either.

Yeah, it has just added to the text when I said rewrite this in my.

From my own content and make it my sentences, my words, that sort of thing.

This is what it did.

Whatever the blue is, it's taking more directly and changing to fit with the original document that I uploaded.

You can always go back and change something and change it again or shorten something.

So, anybody want to do this?

Well, first of all, anybody else been doing this who has had either a good experience or had challenges or have any other good suggestions that you'd like to share?

And since Scott was the first one here, I'm gonna give you, Scott, the opportunity to do this.

although with the chat box, I don't know how I'm gonna get your message.

That could be the problem.

And we'll still keep looking for the chat.

Does anybody.

Scott, if you don't want to do that, it's fine.

Does anybody have one that you would like to, to try to do this with?

I'm on the school computer, so I don't have any of those.

okay.

Okay.

Yeah, no, no problem.

Let me see if I can do something different here.

Hold on.

my whole thing now just opened up.

Hey, Mickey, I'm happy to send you my manuscript, through email.

Awesome.

Do that.

I'm still baffled that I can't figure out.

It's going to be so easy.

It's like one of those things where it was right in front of my face the entire time.

I have no doubt about that.

All right, let me check my email.

And we'll get yours on Is this to my personal or cross to their preaching email?

send it to your Gmail.

Okay.

Cool.

It should be there now.

Got it.

All right.

Okay.

Do the same.

This new sermon adjust uploaded Yeah.

Thanks for, let it letting us test.

Test yours like this.

all right.

It is working on it.

And there is the canvas.

By the way, one thing that we're working with this week with the.

With the new web app is really trying to duplicate this canvas feature, as closely as we possibly can.

That's right now the biggest hurdle is getting it to have all the functionality and the cool things where you can highlight and just ask right there, that kind of thing.

We're really close, and he's confident we can do it.

But we are.

We're adjusting the layout just a little bit for maybe what you've seen before to incorporate something that is going to be like this, Gemini canvas, which is of all AI tools.

They far lay, far out.

You know, it's just the best.

Okay, here we go.

You have a sermon.

bound to become like him.

The key word here is, discipleship.

The hook, how you define discipleship determines your direction.

that's good.

That's good.

Because now we have this idea of, of, of pads to take.

Some people define disciple as an overachiever Christian.

In this definition, you have two categories, the underachiever and the overachiever.

saved from help, not save to anything.

She seems more valuable because of her contribution.

you're setting something up.

Good here.

The diagnostic.

This creates an imbalanced and judgmental church.

You end up with 20% of the church doing 80% of the work.

Now, has anybody ever had a church like that before?

That's.

That's weird.

The classic 2080 rule, which, in sum, is the 9010 rule or 1090 rule.

The overs judge the unders is lazy dead weights.

The unders judge the overs as religious legalists who need to get alive.

Okay, look at this.

man, this is going to be good.

But there is a biblical definition of discipleship.

Not just a learner, a meth.

There we go.

Bringing in the Greek from the beginning.

It implies an intimate relationship with a master.

Just a learner.

As we look at Matthew 28, I said not just, but yeah, as a learner.

As a follower is look to someone else and walk in that way.

As you look at Matthew 28, we see that discipleship isn't about earning a status.

It's about being bound to Jesus to become like him.

Hey, that's great.

And of course, we would be reading the text here.

No, that's good.

All right, so, Mike, it's for you to engage a little bit with this.

Okay.

So the principle here is that true discipleship is grounded in the absolute cosmic authority of King Jesus.

Looking at the text, we're pulling that and we're going to go to the foundation of it in heaven on earth.

Problem.

We hesitate in discipleship because we are paralyzed by doubt and fear.

But some doubted Jesus draws us near to Jesus draws near to doubters, empowering our discipleship not through our perfection, but through his presence, which is true there.

He draws near, but it's a presence with a promise.

I would, I'd probably work on, you know that.

I'm not saying that's what you said, but sometimes, I'll always.

If we ever see a generated statement by this, it's almost always too long, almost always too complicated.

And so I like to shorten it and focus it and be sure of the redemptive element.

He draws near.

He gives a great commission to the doubters.

There's a pr.

There we go.

There's a promise.

You're not alone.

The power.

It's his authority that backs you up.

You don't have to be a spiritual Navy SEAL to be a disciple.

You have to be with him.

So the response here, empowered by his presence, we engage in discipleship by going baptizing and teaching the nations.

We go baptize, teach cultural analysis.

Small group here.

Hook, book.

Look, Duck.

So I wonder how many, how many, words was your original manuscript?

It was a whopping 4,500.

4,500.

Yes.

This is going to be close.

I spoke very fast.

You know, people have different.

Yeah, they have different pacings of their speech and stuff.

So there's not a right or wrong with how long a sermon should be.

Yeah, usually at, this point now I shoot for like 2700-3000 is kind of my typical.

And that typically results in a 28 to 33 minute sermon.

Wow, that's awesome.

Okay.

And it's really good to know.

It's good to know where your number count is, how long it takes, because it just helps you kind of know kind of the, the time frame it will estimate take.

It's 1,000 1,071 words.

What happens?

That's pretty, pretty typical length of what it, what it generates.

So took your.

This is about 25% of your message.

So it's definitely shrunk it down.

And it didn't.

Is not going to sound like it.

But does this follow at all what you are working with?

Yeah, I think it does you know, one of the things I notice is in the, the very beginning, kind of the intro of it, I brought in, some quotations from, See, is it Zverberg.

actually put one manuscript, but it kind of talks about the idea of, yeah, Lois Sverberg and sitting at the feet of Rabbi Jesus.

she talks about discipleship practice in Hebrew culture as, being tethered to the teacher.

so that's where the idea of being bound to Jesus to become from.

so probably in the actual preaching of it, I will likely include, some of those cultural references, because I think it maybe overlooked those cultural references.

for sure.

I think it did.

Well, what you can do is I just asked you to put the quotes back in.

So if there's anything you ever want to, you know, add, back and just to step back a little bit from this, you know, we're not trying to write a new sermon.

We're trying to say, okay, to the degree that it can take my work I've done and put it in the PPGR format.

That's what we want to see.

How does that message flow through the principal problem, Gospel response framework.

And then we can, you know, work on it from there.

But to have something here that is close.

Okay, let's see if it put.

I'm looking for the quotes in the prolect here.

I'm not.

I didn't put the quotes in there.

So what we want to do, We have the cultural analysis through the entire message.

Be sure to include the quotes from the ARED General sermon manuscript in the introduction.

introduction.

Yeah, obviously, obviously you can see how, you know, if you can think it, you can do it as far as the editing, revising kind of a thing.

And you're doing, more work with this too.

You could actually say, okay, look, let's take it beyond where it was before.

I want this to be a better sermon.

I just had differently formatted sermon so there's more.

We can do the cultural analysis elements.

We can go deeper in the exegesis.

let me go to the beginning and see what it does.

Because we, we really want to be sure that we're not shooting for just more efficient sermons.

That is, that is a byproduct.

We want more effective sermons.

That's our priority.

That's our true value.

The efficiency is kind of like.

That's like the caboose.

It's a benefit.

It comes along behind us.

But there are times when efficiency is a really important value, whether it's a crisis week or whether it really is a season where you need to invest and certain other things and keep your sanity.

I'm no longer the pastor of the church where I planted, but we are, you know, are building our first building.

And when you do a capital campaign and you're meeting with small groups four nights a week and, and meeting with people for lunches, your time, you're going to either get creative and think about how you can plan a series during that, that, that time, that season of life, you know, or you can work 90 hours, you know, and that's a bad recipe.

We don't want that.

so there are some times when this could come in handy as far as refresh an old sermon in a way that makes it living and new again.

Like what?

You know, the what Kevin Twitter and Dib with you know, classic old hymns.

He brought them back to life by giving them new tunes.

And a lot of that started.

We were, we were.

We graduated at Covenant Seminary together.

And so it's really cool to see that journey of his musical background experience.

Bless the church so much with indelible grace.

Okay.

All right.

So it went through this.

And I'm trying to say whether that.

Where the quotes are because I really want to put those quotes back, but it's not putting the quotes back.

You know, I wonder if this helps.

Helps.

yeah.

Would it help to say the author's name for the particular quote?

So it's the It's Ann Spangler and S P A N G L E R and Lois.

And this is a tricky one.

Tver Burger.

It's T V E R B E R G.

And it's the.

It's from their book Sitting at the feet of Rabbi Jesus.

Give it one last shot.

This is my last.

This is my half court launch.

It was if it'll put it back in but you still have the original, so you could always just copy and paste it yet.

That was really super important.

But I am registering on the disappointed side that it has not put us back in yet because if you should be able to do that, it shouldn't be very difficult.

All right, let's see.

And while it's spinning, if any of you do this, I would really love your feedback just for me to know how it, it's being lived out in the real world.

So that as we you know, talk about doing these things, you know, these, these Wednesday workshops and we learn together about what's working, what's not working, what's the best practice what is something to avoid or maybe to qualify something.

input is so incredibly helpful.

So, this.

Let's see.

Okay.

Finally we got a little bit of it.

In their book, Sitting at the Feet of Rabbi Jesus, Anne Spangler and Lois Verberg.

Verberg.

the Jewish world, a disciple was a student.

Not just a student.

A student wants to know what the teacher knows.

A disciple wants to be like the teacher.

They explained that to sit at the feet of a rabbi meant to follow him so closely that you would be covered in the dust of his feet as he walked.

Wow.

It's kind of like the bumper sticker, do you follow Jesus this closely on the back of cars when you're tailgating them?

Did that get it in there?

A little bit.

One of the quotes.

It's a little bit more thorough of a quote, but the basic idea is there.

Okay.

And one thing you're going to notice that this is wanting to do is really use an economy of words.

Because we do talk about the value of simple, focused, clear for impact.

It's part of the homiletical calculus of what it's built upon.

So it's going to try to say things with the minimum effective dose required to get the point across.

Like, you know, if you only need 200 milligrams of ibuprofen, you know, don't take 800 milligrams of ibuprofen.

And sometimes we preach that way.

We only need 200 to make a point, make it really clear.

But we end up doing 800 and we, give it too much and make it not as it could but good.

Okay, so what we learned here is that if you want to put something back in that is a quote or reference, that it really helps if your prompt is specific.

Name the quote person, name the book, whatever it is.

Like that.

Okay.

Hey, we're about out time.

Let me give anybody a chance.

Thoughts?

Reflections?

yeah, question.

for the.

The Bible study follow up at the end, you use the, the look.

hook.

Hook.

Look.

Took method.

Yes.

Can you use other Like, I guess, I don't know.

does that follow the PPGR model better than like, say, like the Timothy method where, you know, you got doctrine reproof correction instruction.

Can you like kind of flip those to any sort of approach?

Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm using the hookbook lookt hook because a couple times ago I did this.

It came up with that.

I'm like, I just said any small group discussion grad.

And it kind of came up with a popular one like that.

I could say frame the small group discussion in a PPGR format so that.

Which is what I do usually in my small groups on Sunday nights.

And so what it's.

What it will do is essentially take you through the message in a condensed way.

So starting with the principal problem, Gospel and response Hook book.

Look, Hook does that kind of already.

but you can.

Anything you want to do with your small group or anything else, you can just say, hey, let's frame it with this outline.

Absolutely.

You can do any of that.

And it did that because I told it to.

Yeah.

One other question I was thinking.

So I've been going through old, seminary, outlines and notes that I've taken.

And I was working on Bible study last week and I was seeing how it was referencing the PDF that you uploaded from the work you've done.

And I was just wondering, is there.

Is it possible to be able to leverage some of the resources that I, you know, that I've, obtained over the years in a similar way to like upload them so that they can, when it's doing its research, kind of draw from some of those resources?

Absolutely.

Absolutely you can.

And you know, in fact, once you use this, well, I'm.

I'm wondering because I can watch.

I can watch YouTube videos and I'll ask the Gemini to summarize the video within PPG360 and then to come up with, frame this discussion with a PPGR format.

Like if I'm watching a Wes, I watch Wes Hoff and his apologetics.

You know, sometimes, you know, I'll put the.

Put a YouTube link in this and I'll say, hey, let's summarize this video and with the teaching, let's put it in a PPG format where I could actually teach this apologetic using this PPGR format.

And it's amazing.

It will do that.

Well, I guess I was thinking more in the lines of like, could we do maybe in the app even, is there.

Could there be a way to kind of curate our own sources so that they're always in there?

Yeah.

With the app or building in that.

That I'm actually that use where you can upload your.

You can upload your own content and it will know you that way.

Yeah, that's going to be a feature.

McKay and Eric, one thing just to kind of share a practice that I've.

I've used this for.

So I, I oversee our community groups at the church and we had a.

At least for my group, I shifted the content to sermon discussion material.

But I wanted it to be more of a look ahead rather than a reflect over sermon discussion.

wow.

Yeah.

So when I curated this, I basically said, you know, I've fed a lot of content.

I clarified what the goals of our community groups are.

I put in there basically like the, the definition of what a community group is.

And Gather Grow Go was of.

It's the, the DNA of our community groups.

And so what it did was it created an a, really helpfully framed small group discussion guide that took the core DNA of our community groups.

Gather, Grow, Go.

And it has like a gather question which is, was like a icebreaker Grow.

Three questions centered on the biblical text.

And then go.

A missional question that's driving the text of that sermon towards mission.

And then, and then that's.

That was a single chat.

So then what I could do is I could simply each week say, hey, this next week I'm preaching from this text, use the same exact format and reproduce a guide for that.

And what's been, what's been great for me personally is I don't have the time to do all the deep research I'd want to do.

So I have everything in a pre formatted question by Monday.

Because we sent an email out Monday and community groups could meet on Monday.

so, so I just don't have the, the margin to think through all the questions that would be relevant for the text.

But through the PPGR tool, I'm able to get really solid questions in a smaller resource so that people can go ahead and right now start thinking about the text as they prepare for Sunday's sermon.

And, and that's.

That was really helpful.

And so that's, that kind of became a curated format that was known through the AI resource and it just kept reproducing the content based on that format.

so that was, that was a very helpful.

So I just go back to that chat.

I mean that chat's like a saved chat and I just go back and reproduce the text.

that's awesome.

That's a great use of this, man.

I love the idea of that.

The connect.

What was it again?

The Gather, Gather, Grow Go.

Gather, Grow, Go.

Yeah, that's really cool.

And have that be the framework for your small groups.

You can see here I did Eric with the.

It turned it into principle.

The definition and authority of discipleship problem.

The resistance to discipleship, the solution to our hesitation and living out true discipleship and how it link to it.

You have a starter, a text link, and then some things to work with here.

I find that actually doing a small group study like Mike, you're talking about, this happens before you do your sermon.

But doing a small group study like this before you do the sermon can be incredibly helpful in thinking through the.

The big rock, concepts that you want to communicate and build your sermon around.

And engaging.

Engaging with members over that content.

You also see like, I didn't think about that before.

That is a bit of a challenge.

I need to dive into that more.

Yeah.

So it's been a helpful, tool to utilize.

That's awesome.

Well, well done.

Well done.

Yeah, I would love to get that.

If you're willing to kind of share how you came up with that or, you know, how you do, how you use it, that'd be something I think a lot more people would be interested in, in developing for themselves too.

There's might not be gather, you know, grow, go.

There might be something else.

But to be able to customize this to your own context is, is.

Is really a huge help, I think.

So.

Thanks for sharing that.

That's great.

Hey, guys, we're at 12, so, thank you all for being here.

And, next time we'll have a chat working, and hopefully you'll be able to turn on your videos too.

But, hope it's been helpful.

It's been fun for me.

I've learned a lot from y', all.

And, we'll keep learning together on these Wednesday workshops.

So y' all have a great rest of the week, and we'll hopefully see you next time.